Sunday, January 27, 2008

"The Dangers of Idealism"

Idealism has prevented us from resolving issues once and for all that have continued to haunt us and caused ongoing difficulties and struggles for the organization. It leads us to avoid real, CONCRETE solutions to problems and rather steers us to the course of "if all goes well, this will happen." As a result we are far, far from the organization that we could be."

The rapid turnover of leaders within this organization has meant that with each new meeting there is a new influx of people who have a basic trust of the system--that decisions will be made, that those decisions will be followed and followed up on, that people will do what they say they will do. Our idealism continually ensures that our conclusions are limited to needing to hug each other more often."

Indeed, as this fellow repper mused, while this organization cannot survive without idealism, idealism can also be its downfall. Here, locally, as we seek to expand the membership in a way that is not only sustainable, but responsible, we should challenge the paradigm; or, more specifically, the assumptions on which the current paradigm rests. Assumptions that are abstract, and lack tangibility. Assumptions that are idealistic, but lack practicality.

I believe that we must prioritize the diffusion of our philosophy instead of our bureaucracy, and realize that the former does not requires the latter. We reject the Great Assumption: that we must continuously and endlessly expand the size of the LC to continuously and endlessly expand the impact that we have. It is a different vision, and—let this be clear—one that is no more or less ambitious than others.

The status quo sees the Dream and asks, "What if we got 5,000 people at a national conference?" My vision sees the Dream and asks, "What if there were 150-200 people at a national conference, and 80% of them had done or were on the verge of doing traineeships, and if 50% of them were engaged in national sales? [And it sees a 5,000-person national conference for what it would be, in all practicality: absurdly inefficient, horrendously impersonal, and logistically nightmarish].

Damn it, this was the entire philosophy behind the International Power Hour. Let’s do a different “recruitment”. Start internally. Utilize what already exists to increase efficiency and results. Because we can increase exchange—and thus our impact—without having to increase in size. Let’s stop the fluffy, B.S. rhetoric and focus on something tangible, an action you can take right now to greatly enhance our impact.

Growing the number of people we impact is a principle and a goal, but growing the number of members is not. But what the status quo advocates is membership growth for growth’s sake—and here is why. The process for determining recruitment numbers does not identify concrete goals and objectives for the semester. We do not ask each team what they plan to accomplish during the semester, and how many people they require and then approximate the number of members needed to complete the tasks at hand. Therefore it is not growing in order to accommodate a proportional increase in what we are trying to achieve in a given time period to expand our influence and impact. And we have many members that take advantage of the organization, and on whom resources, time and money are continuously wasted while work is created on an ad hoc basis (if it’s created at all). The question is “what can we take on?” instead of “what do we need?” Thus we are not growing out of necessity. We are growing to grow, because we assume that it is the only way to enhance our impact and fulfill our mission—thus failure to do so is “taking a step backward”.

Any efficient and successful organization—whether for profit or non-profit, Fortune 500 or humanitarian—does not operate in this way. You implement the structure, and then bring on the personnel. You have the work, and then you grow the membership. None of them champion unlimited growth as a necessary means to increase their influence and fulfill their missions. But not us. We either 1) bring on the personnel, and then put the structure/task in place, or 2) bring on the personnel as the structure or task is being created, refined, and put into place. As we are a functioning, non-profit business, this begs one question: why do we think that we can operate so differently?

Because we are unrestrained. Here's where idealism--such a vital and precious quality--becomes dangerous.

While growth in impact does not require growth in size, growth in size can also undermine impact. How? Greater numbers can overwhelm structures, and cause processes to break down and tasks to remain unmet. And in the past semester, this has happened. But here I must make an important point: as Bruni articulated (and did so surprisingly well), we could easily take on 100 more members next semester and not “collapse”. We could have a 300, 500, 1,000 person LC in the future that does exchange and impacts people and hosts events. It is not a doomsday scenario.

But in all this discussion, one vital element has barely been broached: that of community. We are a local community. At the LC retreat one of our four determined principles was community. So it must be pretty important.

Community is different than integration—the latter is about the individual, and the former is about the collective—and while the failure of all but 2 members to know the names of every single person in the LC is not indicative of a lack of personal “integration”, it does speak volumes about the intimacy and cohesion of the community. For me, community is reflected in the rapport of the whole, of people working not purely in factions or working groups or delegated teams but as a whole. When an important discussion breaks down, turns off members and is rendered completely inefficient for the second semester in a row, this is a blemish on the community as a whole.

This is why I take the stance I do. Because no one can tell me—concretely—how a community would be maintained with 300 people at Brats. Or 400 people at a social event. Or 150 people on the marketing team. Or 40 people on the coach team. Or a lecture hall full of 500 people for a GMM. The cohesion and closeness of a community—the strength of bonds which envelope the entire group—are contingent on size. This is a fundamental reality of human interaction. Factionalizing, while standing to expand the bureaucracy and make processes more inefficient, does not compensate for the diminishing of overall community. Nor does it ensure an increase in impact and work proportional to increase in membership. This fall we had twice as many members as the fall prior. Did we do twice as much work? Did we have twice as much of an impact?

I am a product of the community. And it is the disintegration of this community that "fucks" prior legacies and future potential, not a failure to produce unlimited growth. Remember when 10-hour road trips on a weekend with people you were just getting to know was the norm? Now we have seen this community, on a national level, completely disintegrate. But it still grows, and it still functions, and it functions well.

But I would still hate to see our LC take the same course.

20 Comments:

Blogger Ariane said...

"We do not ask each team what they plan to accomplish during the semester, and how many people they require and then approximate the number of members needed to complete the tasks at hand."

That is, in fact, EXACTLY what I remember happening one year ago at the winter retreat.

10:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a relative outsider but most student orgs and nonprofits would kill to have this dilemma.

Danny (can't sign into blogger)

11:33 AM  
Blogger Bruhaha said...

And when I tried to initiate this discussion this past retreat, I was shot down instantly, with no discussion.

Before fall semester, we did have this discussion, but it ended with large promises from the marketing and events teams which were not met.

11:35 AM  
Blogger Molly said...

yes, we heard that that conversation (about each team's capacity and workload) had happened in the past.

just for the record adam, I'm still an idealist, haha, but man do I just LOVE community.

one thing to think about, I think you touched on it a little bit, it seems AIESECers take it personally, like it's a discrediting of their abilities, when you tell them: "you can't create community among 500 people the same way you can among 50 people." This is not an AIESEC phenomenon, and only occurring in this arena. The same type of community can't be created with 500 people as it can with 50, the entire world over...at least i haven't seen it happen yet or heard about it.

11:50 AM  
Blogger Mix said...

As a quick note, there are inventions out there that took years and years to finally figure out... and after news got out that someone nailed it (thus proving it possible), it took others merely days to replicate.

12:30 PM  
Blogger Sara said...

I think it's important to define what everyone means by "community." Is community the buddies you go out with to the echotap? Is community the number of people we can fit into brats? Is community knowing people's names?

I felt a sense of community when I went to a 700-person IC. I didn't know everyone's names. I didn't pull international power hours with them all. They weren't all in my clique of friends. They weren't all people that I worked with closely. They were 700 AIESECers from all over the world who had done AIESEC work and cametogether to work towards a common mission.

THAT is my definition of community. I'd be interested to hear you clarify what you mean by community.

12:47 PM  
Blogger Mix said...

no conversation is complete until echo tap has been referenced.

And that is exactly the place this conversation should be happening. We need a virtual echo

12:49 PM  
Blogger Jenna V said...

I'm in...

3:07 PM  
Blogger Connie Mia said...

i think it's hard to put limitations and definitions on things, especially on the ideas that @ proposes and generates. goals are good, but they're not always achieved. and that's an ok thing too...it's not necessarily a failure.

4:08 PM  
Blogger Katy said...

I have a few different trains of thought that will be expanding over 3 different blogs. Trying to keep the relevent points where the conversation is flowing, but I have to say i feel that we are not all as far off from each other as we may think- and I do feel very great about all the feed back, ideas, and idealism going on.

First to address when Bruni offered the initial idea of "ask each team what they plan to accomplish during the semester, and how many people they require and then approximate the number of members needed to complete the tasks at hand" at the retreat. Personally, I was thinking the same thing as he raised his hand and was happy he said it- but at the same time, I had been just away, so i was in an awkward position of, maybe our LCP has an idea on what conversation needs to be had right now. I think we all can agree that that conversation, though well intentioned, did not work out, and I don't think this is such a horrible thing. It happened, it's over, lets do something, and move on.

Going with this, I also thought it was common knowledge at the end of last spring when our VP board transitioned that the current structure needs to change. I know i had specific converstations on how this will probably be the last semester where a newbie social will be a party in someones apartment. It will be a small but crucial part of a process of structural changes to accomadate the goal and vision of growth. What will that look like? A rented out hall or bar, legitly done with following all alchohol policies (there are ways to do this) with a huge and awesome party and celebration to bring in new members. This is ONE idea of adapting one part of the organization or accomadating the demand for aiesec on campus. I went into the retreat thinking that structural changes would be in full conversation. This was not the case, but this does not mean that cannot happen. I am in FULL support of us fucking sitting down and making proposals on how we can grow our membership without losing any of the principles we pride ourselves on. I believe this is why at the retreat last spring, when the principles were first drafted, we cared so much about them- that we need all of these to be AIESEC Madison, even when we grow, and we wanted future decision makers to see what we thought AIESEC is to us, which IS a place where members are taking on ownership, there is community, and we all are vested in the organization. I'm glad to see that even though there is a divide in thought, there is an agreement of these structure conversations need to happen, and I'm personally surprised they were not discussed last semester.

I love, Bruni, That you have thought of structures for large membership to work and function and all that good stuff. If our overall goal of progressing with the organization both in the quality of experiences and the number of people having those experiences- is the same, which i hope it is; I'm asking- Why haven't you been leading implementation and moving our LC forward toward a vision you have seen in your head. Why would you want to shrink the LC? I agree that there are problems need to be addressed and that needs to be solved now, but as mentioned by Burbs, as well as other, must we really stop bringing in new members to do this? "Can't we expand the scope and quality of our work while bringing in new people?"

5:01 PM  
Blogger Katy said...

On community.

What is it? i can tell we have some very different view points here. Is fitting into Brats a real concern of yours Adam? Is that the only way you can picture a sense of intimacy in the organization- everyone being able to fit into the same bar? Picture this. You are on finance. You love finance. You are ona finance team of 40 people who are all dividing off and working on different projects. You know everyone in those 40 people and you got brats after your meeting every week and its awesome. Someone tells you that the whole LC used to fit and in brats, and can't picture that happening.

Out side of those forty people, maybe there are GMMs or GMM like events that are incoporate different teams, or divide people up not based on team, but based on the interest they have on that topic or discussion. You get to know those people and know everyone's name in that group. On top of this you have your good old trusty coach group and know all of them.

There are then Conference type meetings who knows how often when EVERYONE gets together and you feel like you walked into a national conference, an AXLDS, an IC- and you feel a sense of community in that group when the sessions are done, the same way i felt connected to everyone in the room, with out knowing 300 names after an LDS.

This is an abtract picture of community. But By NO MEANS am i proposing growing for the sake not focusing our resources on the present membership, internal marketing like crazy on the traineeships (i plan on speaking about Guatemala until i'm blue in the face), or losing a sense of 'community'- why woould i want to do that, I love our community - I just want to see that beautiful baby grow....

5:19 PM  
Blogger Hero of the Light said...

I'll answer two questions:

1)"Community" can be defined in different ways on different levels (UW is a "community" of 60,000 people, for example). I think that "local" community (for our purposes) implies a significant level of intimacy that is heavily contingent on numbers (why do people insist that coach groups do not grow past 9 or 10 people?) It is difficult to discern a precise figure, as it is difficult to conclude exactly how many members are required to make @ a household name.

My definition of "local community" would mean that everyone, without exception, has taken a vested interest in the LC. This has been called "taking ownership", and in my mind is different than having everyone "integrated." Now, obviously we need to draw the line between structural quality and personal responsibility. But that is why the intimate environment of the local community becomes important. I do think that knowing names is important, and reflective of the environment and the intimacy of the LC. Obviously, this is as much about individual initiative--and I am as guilty of this failure as anyone else. But if we say it's ok, then it's ok.

Does anyone know of a structural change to a 300 person LC that would not require fragmentation, aside from holding GMM at Camp Randall? Before we go into the ups and downs, this is a good question to ask (although if the Finance Team has 40 members I better be driving a Beamer).

2) The answer to Burbs' question is YES. But you still abide by the rule of being an efficient organization that we are not exempt from: establishing the substantive and core work before bringing on the extra personnel. Fixing large gaps in structure before newbies show up. That doesn't mean you can't expand the scope and quality of the work as you bring on new people. For example, I was VP of Exchange and created the IPH session on the side. You can craft and participate in more events than planned at the beginning of the semester. But you certainly shouldn't end up doing LESS.

And what IF a semester came where taking on new members was perceived to jeopardize being able to increase the quality and impact of our work? This is about setting an expectation; a precedent. If we establish that we must, without question, grow larger every single semester, then we set a future expectation that growing IS for growth's sake--even if that is not the specific intent. Proposing that we shrink this semester, or any semester, does not propose that we shrink EVERY SINGLE semester or that we don't increase in total size by this time next year. It is not absolutist, nor am I advocating that we don't grow, ever.

So while we think concretely about structures needed to be implemented to accommodate a 200-300 person LC, can we do the same for an 80 member LC where a 70% of members have or are on the verge of doing traineeships, 25% are in BD roles, everyone is doing substantive work, etc, etc? Burbo is right about the T-ship (damn it, that's a good one) dilemma, but we can certainly do this while taking the limits of internal marketing into account.

One idea: Do one large recruitment drive every year, instead of every semester.

6:21 PM  
Blogger Bruhaha said...

@sara: Great point. This seems to reinforce the idea that work matters more than intimacy, however intimacy may be defined. In fact, I'd say the work created intimacy by bonding all members to the cause/mission.

@adam: In the past, one recruitment drive has been implemented and caused catastrophic events to unfold. Is our LC the same as those past LCs? No, but all solutions should have some model, modified or not. If you believe this should be advocated, I'd look for an organization that either currently does this or has tried it and analyze the consequences, good or bad. I am advocating taking this semester off from recruitment, but am not advocating using this as a model to continue with for next year. My judgment for this semester is based purely on the current outlook. I have no idea what the reality will be next year, but I have a feeling it won't look anything like this one.

11:05 PM  
Blogger cmckim said...

If I try to think about this anymore my head is going to explode. Seriously.

That being said...

We could cap membership where we're at. We'd be able to develop the bonds between us all, strengthening the community, and work diligently on perfecting our operations, creating a BIGGER and MORE POWERFUL impact.

But when we've reached that point of perfection, what will happen then? Will we just sit back and maintain? Will we tell ourselves, "there's 90 of us and we're operating at the maximum capacity of 90 people. Way to go folks. We've done it. Now let's just keep doing it..."

Or will we recognize that with a few more people, say 105 or 110, we would be able to do a little more? Try to reach a few more souls, change a few more lives, give another 20 some odd people the chance at the life changing experience we've been keeping for ourselves?... Will we be willing to grow? Or will the thought that more members means less community still scare us so much we limit ourselves to that wonderful level of achievement we've made it to and be satisfied with it?


We received the "Leading Edge" award this year and were recognized as an LC that has moved ahead of the rest. The way we handle the situation we have found ourselves in is going to send a message to the entire nation and set an example for all of them to follow... or not.

We need to keep that in mind. If WE can't work through this, how will anyone else?


I know that I sound very "pro-membership growth" in all of these discussions, but I'd like it to be known that I am completely lost in all of my thoughts on this matter. A huge part of me completely agrees with Adam and Bruni and the thought of losing the kind of community I've experienced in the LC makes me shiver. Nothing has effected and infected me the way this organization, more importantly the people within this organization, have. I'm at my happiest when I'm with @ers and this LC has become like a family to me. That may sound cheesey, but I know you all understand EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

But there is still that other side that won't stop pulling. The idealistic, optimistic, big dreaming, silly maybe?, side of me that can't help but be attracted to that thought of that high impacting, mountain moving, ground shaking, powerhouse. That big, bad, beautiful, logistical nightmare of a 150+ LC.


POP!!! <-- There goes my head.


It's 3am. I'll see some of you at GMM tomorrow. And you others? I'm off to dream. You're living it, so see you there.

2:54 AM  
Blogger Hero of the Light said...

I don't believe that anyone is proposing that we cap the membership.

8:48 AM  
Blogger cmckim said...

Capping is exactly what we would be doing if we decided not to grow beyond a certain point of intimate community.

10:40 AM  
Blogger Preston said...

First of all, Hero, thanks for repping our LC and one of its most important Characters.

We are wrestling, at the base of it all, with the same fundamental question you all are facing. We consider our end-product as an LC - and as a global association - to be a high volume of high-quality @XPs. Those require an amazing T-ship, valuable and challenging leadership XPs, and highly meaningful integration, ownership, and balance in your community.

Here, now, is Sara's point about community. Think of it in circles - that greatest shape, defined by a fact of nature, which we call "pi." And think of it in terms of roles. Your mentor plays a role - a meaningful one-on-one relationship. Your coach group plays a valuable role - here at GT we'll be doing no more than three people to a coach group. Your home group (as we do them here) plays a valuable role - we also try to hold it under ten. Your LC plays a role - for the sake of argument, I'll cite Dunbar's number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number), which states that due to our neocortex size the number of individuals who can maintain a stable social order with each other caps at about 150 before more complex processes, like laws and structures, are needed. So your LC is to act like that family or tribe, with that kind of role. Your national network, AIESEC US, plays a role as well, and of course the global network plays a role. Sara gets at it, these are different communities, but they are contained in the giant circle of the global network. Your LC is one of over 800, a number of each of which occupy a circle of a national entity, a member committee, each of which is inside that giant, catholic (universal) circle. These are the different communities in our network, and they each play a role.

Here, we are talking about the role of the LC. To approach it like the engineer I aspire to be, there are certain variables (questions and values) that can be eliminated. The Hero stated it pretty succinctly when he said "Utilize what already exists to increase efficiency and results. Because we can increase exchange—and thus our impact—without having to increase in size. Let’s stop the fluffy, B.S. rhetoric and focus on something tangible, an action you can take right now to greatly enhance our impact." A high volume of high-quality @XPs definitely has some bearing on the number of members you have - you cannot have more @XPs than you have members (said mathematically, (#HQ@XPs) ≤ members) - but our LCs, I believe, are in common in that our #HQ@XPs is definitely off by more than a few from the number of members. In this interpretation, what the Hero is laying down is that by looking at our #HQ@XPs - not growth - we eliminate the "question" of how many members we "should" have, if we don't even consider it in our criteria (which is totally valid once you have more than about seven members). Once you reach the ceiling, where (#HQ@XPs) = members then the "high volume" part needs to be examined, which necessitates growing the number of members. At this point though your culture is clearly pretty superb and is totally capable of that growth, of whatever magnitude or change degree you should deem best to still produce a high volume of high quality @XPs. Part of the beauty of E=mc^2 is that c is a known constant, and if you know mass, you know exactly what the energy is - it doesn't rely on time, or on temperature, or on electric field, or on distance or anything but those two factors. The same is true here - the equations work to eliminate the question of numbers of members for numbers' sake.

That culture necessitates each part of the network to play its role very well. Be an excellent coach who knows your role, be an excellent LCP who knows your role, be an excellent member of the global network who knows your role. We do need to play our parts much better, especially in the > LC way. I think there will be a get-together at App State in a few weeks, so stay on the lookout comrades. We can rebuild it. We must maintain.

12:28 PM  
Blogger Hero of the Light said...

I assumed that the discussion was focusing on how to maintain a sense of intimate community as numbers continue to grow. So are you saying that a certain level of growth inevitably requires a loss of intimacy? Does it really matter if it does (because the benefits would outweigh this cost)?

Because these two inquiries belied my original question.

The questions posed in the original post where not rhetorical. They were not meant to establish that we CANNOT grow to 200, 400... and on in size.

They only demanded that we look at what such sizes would look like, and if there are BOTH benefits AND consequences INHERENT in growing in size, regardless of structure. These were posed as questions, because if I had the definitive answers I would have posed those instead.

I struggle with math, but I suppose that P sums up my view of internal marketing. But I have to concede that, for realities' sake, there are limits to internal marketing (and that we would never have an LC where 100% of the members are T-shipped).

1:40 PM  
Blogger kyle lee schneider said...

Just for the record:

I feel more like a "part of a community" now than I did when I joined AIESEC. When I joined there couldn't have been more than 50 members in the LC (I say this because my first GMM was in a room that sits 45).

It's important to note that different members at different points in their AIESEC-career will likely feel different about the "community" that they are a part of. I'm extremely happy with our "community."

6:43 PM  
Blogger Mix said...

Kyle's point is crucial to keep in the front of your brain as you move forward.

8:57 PM  

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